In order for a logical syllogism to be valid, all premises must be true, and the conclusion must be forced by the premises. With that in mind, and knowing that many KJV (TR) Only advocates will howl at the idea that something they take on faith is evaluated on the basis of logic, I offer this:
1. The Bible promises that God will preserve his Word
2. The only possible definition of preserve is "perfection"
3. The only text that is "perfect" is the KJV (TR).
The first premise is entirely true. God did promise to preserve his Word.
The second premise is an interpretation of Scripture, that can be debated, as all interpretations must be, it is not correct by the standards of Church history to say that it MUST be the only interpretation.
The conclusion can no longer be valid, since the 2nd premise is untrue, but even if it was, the conclusion is not a result of the first two premises. There is nothing different about the KJV (TR) from any other text or translation that sets it apart as "perfect". Advocates of that position will claim otherwise, will make their chosen favorite the standard by which all others are judged, but they cannot escape the clear facts of history, and must in the end retreat into saying that their position MUST be taken by faith (with all the dire consequences of apostasy heaped upon those who disagree).
There is a lot of confusion, name calling, tangents that have nothing to do with the main issue, and outright lies being spread about this issue within the Church. It is enough to make the head of an ordinary lay person spin, and not a few pastors as well. But, in the end, everything comes back to premise #2 and the desperate attempt to prove that the KJV (or TR) satisfies that standard.
The sad thing is, none of this is necessary, we have an amazingly, providentially, preserved Word of God, living and active, powerful and mighty, available to us in English in an array of sound and beneficial choices. Not only that, but this entire discussion relegates God's work through his Word among the other peoples of the world to sideshow, when in reality God's work among the English speaking peoples, and the Western cultures is but one part of his amazing work all over the world. Everyday the percentage of Christians reading the Bible in English shrinks because the number of Christians reading it in other languages is growing by leaps and bounds!
Saturday, August 8, 2015
Friday, August 7, 2015
An evaluation of the TR (and/or KJV) Only position's presuppositions
The presuppositions of the TR Only position, which for the
most part match up with those of the KJV Only position seem to be as follows:
(1) That the Bible’s passages on the preservation of Scripture require a “perfect”
Bible, anything less makes God a liar and is thus a perversion of Scripture. (2)
That the definition of “perfect” envisioned by this viewpoint can allow for no
textual criticism, no revisions, no corrections of the text. {Some of the KJV Only would add “no variants”
to this list}(3) That other than the original autographs, this “perfect”
example of Scripture exists only in the TR (or KJV).
Let us for a moment assume each proposition to be true and
see what the results would be. (1) If the passages of Scripture about
preservation require a “perfect” Bible, they do not in any way indicate which
text that would be. Since it must be
available in every generation, it must have first existed in the Hebrew
manuscripts (aside from the Dead Sea Scrolls, all of which were lost prior to
the Middle Ages), then in the Greek manuscripts, although it could only be in
one text type, but without the original autographs there is no basis for
choosing one and only one text type as the “perfect” text when the only thing
we have to compare them to is each other. (2) If no textual criticism is to be
allowed, and how can it be when the text is “perfect”, there is no ability to
answer the clear evidence of a text which changed over time, with additions and
corrections, throughout its history (NT in particular given the wealth of
manuscripts we have of it). If the text
was already “perfect” and needed to remain “perfect” each and every generation,
it could not change, at all, not even a single word. Yet that is not the history of the
manuscripts. By comparing one generation
of them to another, in any text type, this becomes clear, copyists made
mistakes, both intentional and accidental that became accepted (for at least a
time, by an unsuspecting Church). But if
God’s power and veracity stands or falls based upon an unchanging text, the
only possible explanation is to ignore history and evidence and claim that the
text must be taken on faith no matter what (that’s Sam Gipp’s stated position,
any fault in the KJV, even typographical mistakes of the printer, are to be
ignored and the result taken on faith). (3)
Who is the authority, Scripture is certainly silent about which future
text will be the “perfect” one and which will be the corrupted ones, that
determines that the TR, and only the TR (and hence the KJV) are to be deemed
perfect over and against the Byzantine text, the Alexandrian, the Majority
(which will always represent the Byzantine as the number of those manuscripts
is such a clear majority), or the Eclectic blending of all sources? Who designated Erasmus as the final authority
on the preservation of Scripture, who sanctified his work and declared it
without error? Keep in mind, that
Erasmus himself made significant changes to his printed editions with each new
one, as did Stephanus and Beza after him.
In the end, I see no compelling reason to belief that we
MUST believe any of those suppositions, if a TR Only (or KJV Only) advocate
wishes to tweak them somewhat, fine, but the primary issues remain. The Scriptures do promise preservation, but
are silent as to how that will occur and by what agency, The text tradition
does include many variants, all of them do, there are no perfect manuscript
traditions, even within Erasmus’ exceedingly limited number of manuscripts
representing one text tradition, there were variants that he had to sort out by
doing textual criticism. Lastly, the
only way that the TR, and only the TR, can be elevated to such a status is an
appeal to tradition or authority, both of which were supposed to be rejected by
the Reformers, to resurrect them now would be a disservice to the ideals of men
like Tyndale, Luther, and Calvin.
Thursday, August 6, 2015
If you need a good laugh, watch Sam Gipp's, "What the big deal about the KJV?" video
I needed a macabre laugh today so I re-watched "Dr." Sam Gipp's "What's the Big Deal about the KJV?" video. From the very first scene, this 40 minute video is one ridiculous example after another of the worst KJV Onlyism set in a fake college setting where "professor" Gipp enlightens his students about the "perfect" Word of God. Straw Men abound, as per usual, as well as illogical argument like this: The KJV is from Antioch through the TR (not actually true, the 6 manuscripts Erasmus had were medieval Byzantine copies, but let that go for a minute), the Eclectic Critical text ("you should know that there's a problem right there when they say their text is critical", as if the term Biblical Criticism was somehow an evil practice, forget that Erasmus, the father of the TR engaged in Biblical Criticism, as did the translation team utilizing Tyndale, the Bishop's Bible, and Erasmus to put together the KJV and every other copyists or translator) is from Alexandria (Of course this too isn't true, the Modern Critical text utilizes all of the manuscripts Western, Alexandrian, and Byzantine, far more of them {5,500+ vs. 6} than the TR, plus Church Fathers, and other early translations). Gipp then explains that Antioch is where the followers of Jesus were first called Christians, that must mean it is a holy place of all goodness and its manuscripts are perfect (forget that heresies also came from Antioch, such as Monothelitism and Nestorianism), and Egypt is always called a bad place in the Bible (forget for a moment, "Out of Egypt I called my son"), thus Alexandria is written off as a place full of heretics whose manuscripts must therefore be 100% corrupt. FYI, Guilt by Association, even weak association, is a favorite KJV Only tactic. (Such as labeling anything they don't like "Catholic" as if that somehow ruins and taints whatever person or manuscript they need to discredit).
Everything goes downhill from there, including a hilarious scene where Gipp has a Bible study group read Psalm 23 in half a dozen different translations to show them the "confusion" that results, as if unison reading not lining up somehow proves anything. Another favorite "proof" of Gipp is that the Modern Critical Text omits verses from the Bible, thus throwing off the numbering system of the 16th century (What, those guys can't even count, he says). Don't stop and wonder why those verses are in the margins in the modern text, don't ask why scholars know for certain that they were added later, just go along as Gipp tells you that they're taking things out of the Bible because he has already set up the KJV as the only standard, therefore any "change" in the text from the KJV is what counts, and don't worry about what the original Greek text says regarding the "changes" he points out, he doesn't say so in this particular video but he's said elsewhere that he wouldn't care if original autographs were found, he already has a perfect KJV.
The proof text of any KJV Only fanatic is I John 5:7, a verse that has zero manuscript evidence in Greek before the 16th century, which by the way Gipp accuses the Alexandrians of removing from the Bible because they hate the Trinity (something they couldn't have done, of course because it didn't appear until later Latin copies of the Vulgate), sad for him that none of the Byzantine manuscripts have it either, and that none of the Church Fathers quote the verse despite their blood feud with the Arians. Thus in this one instance, Gipp is accusing other Christians of denying the Trinity by relying upon an verse addition that comes from the Latin Vulgate, the Bible of the Catholic Church (which Gipp and those like him hate with white hot fury). Forget for a moment that the trinity is found elsewhere in the NT (in the modern texts as well), forget for a moment the horror if such an important verse could be expunged from the manuscript tradition for 1,600 years, all of this isn't supposed to matter as you feel anger toward those who deny the trinity by changing God's perfectly preserved Bible, the KJV.
In the end, "Dr." Sam Gipp, along with Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and those who follow in their wake, have faith in a perfect Bible, the same blind faith of the world's Muslims who also allow no variants in their text, and treat any questions as those of heretics, and they have a skeptics doubts about the Early Church, the manuscript copying process, and the preservation of the original text, just like that of Dr. Bart Ehrman who has no faith because the text isn't "perfect".
Keep making your propaganda movies, they're good for a laugh, at least they would be if you weren't trying to destroy Christian fellowship, the reputations of devout men of God whose work as scholars has only increased our knowledge of the real reason why our Bible can be trusted, and making things up as you go to fit a conclusion that you reached long before you started making up your conspiracy theory. While you're at it, say hi to Dan Brown, he enjoys a good conspiracy theory.
Everything goes downhill from there, including a hilarious scene where Gipp has a Bible study group read Psalm 23 in half a dozen different translations to show them the "confusion" that results, as if unison reading not lining up somehow proves anything. Another favorite "proof" of Gipp is that the Modern Critical Text omits verses from the Bible, thus throwing off the numbering system of the 16th century (What, those guys can't even count, he says). Don't stop and wonder why those verses are in the margins in the modern text, don't ask why scholars know for certain that they were added later, just go along as Gipp tells you that they're taking things out of the Bible because he has already set up the KJV as the only standard, therefore any "change" in the text from the KJV is what counts, and don't worry about what the original Greek text says regarding the "changes" he points out, he doesn't say so in this particular video but he's said elsewhere that he wouldn't care if original autographs were found, he already has a perfect KJV.
The proof text of any KJV Only fanatic is I John 5:7, a verse that has zero manuscript evidence in Greek before the 16th century, which by the way Gipp accuses the Alexandrians of removing from the Bible because they hate the Trinity (something they couldn't have done, of course because it didn't appear until later Latin copies of the Vulgate), sad for him that none of the Byzantine manuscripts have it either, and that none of the Church Fathers quote the verse despite their blood feud with the Arians. Thus in this one instance, Gipp is accusing other Christians of denying the Trinity by relying upon an verse addition that comes from the Latin Vulgate, the Bible of the Catholic Church (which Gipp and those like him hate with white hot fury). Forget for a moment that the trinity is found elsewhere in the NT (in the modern texts as well), forget for a moment the horror if such an important verse could be expunged from the manuscript tradition for 1,600 years, all of this isn't supposed to matter as you feel anger toward those who deny the trinity by changing God's perfectly preserved Bible, the KJV.
In the end, "Dr." Sam Gipp, along with Peter Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, and those who follow in their wake, have faith in a perfect Bible, the same blind faith of the world's Muslims who also allow no variants in their text, and treat any questions as those of heretics, and they have a skeptics doubts about the Early Church, the manuscript copying process, and the preservation of the original text, just like that of Dr. Bart Ehrman who has no faith because the text isn't "perfect".
Keep making your propaganda movies, they're good for a laugh, at least they would be if you weren't trying to destroy Christian fellowship, the reputations of devout men of God whose work as scholars has only increased our knowledge of the real reason why our Bible can be trusted, and making things up as you go to fit a conclusion that you reached long before you started making up your conspiracy theory. While you're at it, say hi to Dan Brown, he enjoys a good conspiracy theory.
The unexpected agreement between Dr. Bart Ehrman's skepticism and the KJV Only fanatics
"When you subjugate it to the human laboratory for testing and twisting and probing, it takes on a different nature. If it isn't preserved perfectly, then it lacks in authority, something less than full authority." This is a quote about the Bible from Kent Brandenburg, and it has something that he might not be happy to hear about in common with the leading agnostic critic of Biblical accuracy alive today, Bart Ehrman. Bart is a well known critic, with best selling books like Misquoting Jesus and How Jesus Became God to his name. One of the most crucial conclusions that Dr. Ehrman makes in his rejection of the Bible that we have today is that it isn't the same as the original as penned by the Apostles. If we don't have the original, God must not have preserved it, if God didn't perfectly preserve it, he must not have given it in the first place. If the modern Bible isn't a perfect copy of the original autographs, if it has any errors (despite its historically unheard of 97% accuracy), it is no longer the Word of God. KJV Only fanatics take this same view of the preservation of Scripture. Their answer to Bart's dilemma is to posit a new revelation from God that occurred in 1611 (don't mention to them the typographical/spelling/printing mistakes of that edition, it won't be welcome). The King James Bible to them is a perfectly preserved English version of what the Apostles wrote, so much so that many of them have dismissed the relevance of an original autograph should one be found in some cave like the Dead Sea Scrolls, and so much so that some of them (Sam Gipp for example) contend that the only way to hear the Word of God today is for the people of the world to learn English to read the KJV (Don't point out the obvious racist white superiority behind this line of thinking, just because God treats all men equally doesn't mean they have to). How do we know that the KJV is a perfect edition in every way, especially since in their view that's the only way it will be God's Word? You'll have to take that on faith.
Dr. Ehrman yearns for a perfect Bible, doesn't have one, and has lost his faith, the KJV Only crowd yearn for a perfect Bible, so they've pretended they have one.
The sad thing is, we have an amazing Biblical text today. All of the original readings have been preserved within the manuscript tradition, none of what the Apostles wrote has been lost. The Bible is more readily available and accessible than ever before all over the world in hundreds of languages with new ones being translated every year. The Word of God has never been closer to ordinary people, too bad the skeptics and the fanatics can't see it.
* Note * Kent Brandenburg should not be identified with the KJV Only crowd of Ruckman/Gipp/Riplinger (which he rightly dismisses as an untenable position), both groups believe in "perfect preservation", the first as found in the KJV, Kent's group as found in the Textus Receptus (TR definition). To prefer the TR is a defensible position, just as it is defensible to prefer the KJV, the TR was the Greek text basis for Tyndale, the Bishop's Bible, the KJV, the Geneva Bible, Luther's German NT, and the New King James, but to be TR ONLY is almost as erroneous as the KJV Only position in that it posits a perfect moment in Church history when the text of God's Word needs to be frozen, when all scholarship and textual criticism needs to cease. The problem with that, is that there is no one TR (it isn't a manuscript, but a published collation of a few late Byzantine texts that were available to Erasmus), there are many published additions of Erasmus/Stephanus/Beza that were the result of their efforts at textual criticism, so why must these men be the only authorities that can offer God's people his Word? The TR is a good text, but the Majority text is better, and the Critical Eclectic text is better still. Christians in the 16th century like Erasmus did a great job considering the manuscripts they had available to them at the time, but we have no need to limit ourselves to what they knew then. God has indeed preserved his Word, in EACH generation, that effort continues to this day through the work of Godly men who continue the work of their ancestors in the faith.
Dr. Ehrman yearns for a perfect Bible, doesn't have one, and has lost his faith, the KJV Only crowd yearn for a perfect Bible, so they've pretended they have one.
The sad thing is, we have an amazing Biblical text today. All of the original readings have been preserved within the manuscript tradition, none of what the Apostles wrote has been lost. The Bible is more readily available and accessible than ever before all over the world in hundreds of languages with new ones being translated every year. The Word of God has never been closer to ordinary people, too bad the skeptics and the fanatics can't see it.
* Note * Kent Brandenburg should not be identified with the KJV Only crowd of Ruckman/Gipp/Riplinger (which he rightly dismisses as an untenable position), both groups believe in "perfect preservation", the first as found in the KJV, Kent's group as found in the Textus Receptus (TR definition). To prefer the TR is a defensible position, just as it is defensible to prefer the KJV, the TR was the Greek text basis for Tyndale, the Bishop's Bible, the KJV, the Geneva Bible, Luther's German NT, and the New King James, but to be TR ONLY is almost as erroneous as the KJV Only position in that it posits a perfect moment in Church history when the text of God's Word needs to be frozen, when all scholarship and textual criticism needs to cease. The problem with that, is that there is no one TR (it isn't a manuscript, but a published collation of a few late Byzantine texts that were available to Erasmus), there are many published additions of Erasmus/Stephanus/Beza that were the result of their efforts at textual criticism, so why must these men be the only authorities that can offer God's people his Word? The TR is a good text, but the Majority text is better, and the Critical Eclectic text is better still. Christians in the 16th century like Erasmus did a great job considering the manuscripts they had available to them at the time, but we have no need to limit ourselves to what they knew then. God has indeed preserved his Word, in EACH generation, that effort continues to this day through the work of Godly men who continue the work of their ancestors in the faith.
Tuesday, August 4, 2015
Sermon Video: "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded" - Luke 12:35-48
In this passage, Jesus tells two related parables about servants and managers of servants who need to be vigilant and faithful in the completion of their assigned tasks. In both cases, those servants who do what is expected of them are rewarded and those who neglect their duty are punished. The meaning of the parables is also related to the return of the Son of Man, a time that Jesus emphasizes once again will be an unexpected hour. In light of the promised, but unknown time, of the return of Jesus, Christians must needs be prepared to do the work of the kingdom, not putting off till later what we may not then get a chance to accomplish.
The conclusion of Jesus, relating to both parables, is that those who have been given much from God, will in turn have much demanded of them from God. The judgment of God will fall heaviest upon his own people if they fail to imitate his Son, for they are without the excuse of ignorance, for they know what God expects of them.
To watch the video, click on the link below:
The conclusion of Jesus, relating to both parables, is that those who have been given much from God, will in turn have much demanded of them from God. The judgment of God will fall heaviest upon his own people if they fail to imitate his Son, for they are without the excuse of ignorance, for they know what God expects of them.
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